My best information is that CarbonCopyCloner is not yet ready for Tiger, so if you use it, be on the Panther Start-up Drive OR use SuperDuper! if you're running on Tiger. The User Manual for CarbonCopyCloner is important to read. It's clear.

I could get NO BOOTABLE CLONES until I learned the trick with the 'IGNORE PERMISSIONS...' checkbox. Having it checked causes certain files to be omitted - the 'boot' files included.

It sounds like the "Ignore" check box has caused me some trouble in the past I didn't know it. I was trying to copy media from existing Fibre Drives to an Xsan Managed volume, and the permissions would change, they would end up being linked to the user that performed the copy. Which caused the migration to Xsan to come to a screeching halt. I wasn't about to go in manually and change the permissions back to the way they were suppose to be, for all of the 5TB's of files that needed to be copied. I tried the "apply to enclosed Items" but that didn't work all of the time.

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Thanks, for the great suggestions.
Kalagan

Whenever you do a drag and drop in Finder, the copies are always owned by the person doing the copy. To maintain ownership requires a program like CCC or to use the "ditto" command from terminal. If Ignore Permissions on This Volume is checked on either the source or the destination drive, all copies will be owned by the person doing the copy, even if CCC or ditto is used. You also cannot use Disk Utility to repair permissions on a drive that's set to ignore. (and thre's no warning, it just fills your screen with problems, supposedly "fixed", which I'd classify as a bug)

"Apply to enclosed items" in the sharing panel of Server Admin app seems to work, but I have never seen Apply to Enclosed Items in the Finder's Get Info window work. You'd think they'd have gotten that fixed by now? You can recursively set ownership or permissions for a system of folders in Terminal using the chown and chmod commands with the -R flag. If all the files you were copying needed to end up being owned by a specific user/group or needed to have the same privledges (rw/rw/r) these commands would have worked very well to fix your xsan problem.

Thanks for the insights. I double checked the two drives I was trying to copy from and to, and the drive I was tyring to copy from had the Ignore checked. I will try it again, thanks!

I do have two related questions. 1) I was told to use the copy command or the Xsan specific copy command cvcp. Is ditto any different from either of those? 2) I have used CCC to image an entire disk, but can it be used to copy just a bunch of folders to another drive?

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Kalagan

I have used CCC to image an entire disk, but can it be used to copy just a bunch of folders to another drive?

If you created these folders and the documents in them, you can copy them by drag-and-drop.

Unfortunately, most of these files reside on a set of Share Fibre Drives, and many of the files were created by a number of different users. So, the Drag & Drop Method didn't work in this case.

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Kalagan

I'm not familiar with cvcp. Ditto is actually what CCC uses internally to copy the data from place to place. (CCC is a user-friendly front-end for the ditto and the bless commands in terminal, basically) I don't see any reason why ccc or ditto would have any problem with a san drive. That cvcp command might be a variation on ditto that somehow optimizes its performance for the san?

OK, if someone didn't read this forum first and did this, is it possible to get Safari and Mail working properly again? Everything else seems to be working fine.

What you needed to to was to delete those apps before restoring. Really, you need to delete ALL titles bundled with 10.3 before reinstalling 10.3. If you leave them there, the 10.3 installer sees a newer version of the app and will skip the installation, leaving you with an app that requires a later version of OS than you currently have installed.

You might try Pacifist to extract the apps you need from the installer packages on the CD.

Or you might go ahead and delete all the apps that don't work, and run an Archive and Install to get the installer to put them back.

Well that Pacifist program looks pretty good, I will clone my system first though. I will probably need to delete the apps first, correct? Any other helpfull hints?